Friday, October 26, 2007

Issue by DAC/1B/07 - Group 3

Online gaming is good for building friendships.

28 comments:

Teck Huat said...

Teck Huat from DCP 1A 27



I disagree that online gaming is good for building friendship. In an online game, we will only play with characters and not human so how can we communicate? So how would we build a good friendship? Yes, we can chat in the game just like what people usually do on MSN. But most of the time, they will be concentrating in the game and who will bother to chat unnecessary? If they want to chat, why not they chat on MSN instead of using online gaming to chat or even chat on phone? In a game, there are often quarrels rather than building friendship bonds. Most of the time friends will have unhappiness about each other. For instance, unhappy with decision made by their friends. So, how can this build up friendship? I feel that understanding each others cultural and their hobbies are the best way to build good friendship.

hendri said...

Hendri from DAC/1B/07

I also disagree that online gaming can build good friendship. Each player is concentrating on their own points(levels) rather than caring for the other players. Each player is trying to surpass one another.
Online gamers will never give their items or weapons that is superior or worth a lot since they have never seen the real person.
They will never trust each other.
A true friendship should at least care and trust each other, isn't it?

I agree with Teck Huat that although online gaming players can chat in the game, but most probably they are merely chatting about the games or they are just bored after playing for long hours. It is hard for them to get know each other well.
Furthermore, they have never met before. They are not even acquaintances, not to mention being friends!!
I still stress that without care, trust and direct communication, they will never be known as friends. Thus, online game is not the concise medium in building friend relationship.

sheery said...

Sheery from DAC/1B/07

I agree with the above 2 comments and think that online gaming is bad for building friendship. Indeed, people do chat to other parties during a game. However, I think that without direct communication, people are unable to build up a real friendship. Firstly, how do one define a friendship? To me, I think that a friendship only exist when two parties are able to trust each other and confide in each other in times of troubles and needs.

In the midst of playing an online game, I do not think that one party will be able to confide in the other party about his/her own personal problems. During the game, both parties will be more keen to gain a level or to complete a level.

In my opinion, I think that online gaming is good for building teamwork instead of friendship. In a game, people work together to get something they want or to eventually reach a goal. During the process, many parties get to work together and learn to cooperate with each other. Therefore, I think that online gaming should not be used to build a friendship.

eden said...

eden from DMR/1B/01

I agree that online gaming is good for building friendship.

Sure, there are many hardcore gamers who only care about surpassing others and become the ultimate. On the other hand, there are also many gamers who play to meet new friends.
Games are made for people to kill time. Gamers can fight monsters to level, sell/buy items, pvp(player vs player), etc.
Some times players are required to party(forming a team with other players) in other to fight certain monsters to level. They have to develop a bond together and teamwork to successfully come up with a strategy to defeat certain boss monsters or quests. Isn't this friendship? They have to trust each players ability and skill to succeed in the games because each player are different, they have thier own jobs and own abilities and skills. Certain jobs and are required for different things. Thus, gamers can also bond with each other through this party system.
In online games, in order to be stronger, each character need to gain good equipments and weapons. What are the ways to get them? Money of course! Players can pick up money from the floor or sell valuable items to other players. They communicate, negotiate, and sometimes chit-chat off the topics. Games can also increase one's marketing skills as they are required to know the prices of different items and know how to make good deals with other players. Isn't making friends start with talking with each other? Some people tend to be shy and dare not speak face-to-face. MSN do let people chat without seeing each other, games as well.
I strongly disagree with what Hendri said, 'they will NEVER trust each other'. Some games have a guild/legion system whereby players form thier own group to fight in wars and to assist one another. The leader gathers players into thier guild/legion and recruits them. The leader, have to trust his own surbordinates and also help them when in need. Members of the guild/legion also assist one another. This system helps to stronger the bonds of players, thus, making new friends in game.
I also diagree with the statement, 'they will NEVER meet each other.' Some players DO meet up with other players they met in game in order to buy/sell items or just to make new friends. I personally have met some before as well as my friends. Some isolated people also gained new friends through gaming.
I feel that online games CAN be good for building friendship as players do and need to communicate with others to become stronger in the game as well as for just the fun of it. Real-life friends do play together and sometimes strengthen thier friendship through games. So let's all go play some online games NOW!!! (haha joke...)

irenetoh said...

IreneToh DAC/1B/07

I disagree with the statement. Online gaming is just another world of playing with your game mates. You are able to chat with them about games and other stuffs. But all the things being share to one another is not all true or rather cannot be trusted. It is very difficult to tell whether the person is lying to you or not as we are unable to talk face to face. Most of the occasions, it seem dangerous to just make a friend from a game. You are unable to see whether the person you communicate with is what kind of person. Maybe he or she can play well with you and assist you sometime in game, but in real life it will not be the same.

I agree with sheery. During the game, both parties will be keener to gain a level or to complete a level. They will not really confide their own difficulties. Gaming is good for building teamwork instead of friendship. Some games required one another to work as a team and cooperate with one another. Building friendship will be more to knowing each other through direct contact and communication so that trust and secure can be sensed.

To conclude, I think that online gaming is not good of building friendship as game mates personally in reality cannot be seen. It will be silly if you believe all the things that your game mates say.

hendri said...

Hendri from DAC/1B/07

Using "never" in those two sentences that you quote was a rash decision (overdose of Singlish), and I would like to apologize for giving everyone a misconception. Allow me to withdraw it and instead clarify the sentence with "rarely" or in other words, "hardly".

Corresponding to what Eden said, there are only minor group of players that meet up out of game. There remains a lot of hindrance preventing people to meet up. Let me mention a few. Personal restriction is one. Some people just dislikes meeting up with strangers. Parental prohibition may be another. This happens mostly in the case of younger where they are still beyond control of parents. One other could be geographical problem, meeting up with someone in Canada while you are in Singapore?

Regarding the reason online gamers meet up, it is likely to buy or sell items. Your case should also be similar to this, isn't it? Meeting up for trade purposes won't get you any further in friendship. Will a trader who is earning money willing to keep you company after he finishes his/her trade with you? Unless he/she is expecting to earn more from you.

Meeting up to play together seems a good point for friendship, but what they have bonded themselves to are still the games, something you rarely know worldly. Each busy with their own gaming world, revolving around the unreal second world that has been created.

Furthermore, how often do online players really meet? Do they really want to know each other better? Or do they want someone who they can converse with about games, which they can never do at home, with real life friends who do not indulge in games, or just for the sake of whiling away their free time?

From where I stand, I'd strengthen my argument previously by saying that online gaming is not good for friendship building. Where virtual world can give, virtual world can take. It is never real anyway.

yipeng =) said...

YiPeng from DAC/1B/07

I disagree with the statement.

Firstly, what is the real purpose of playing games? At first you are interested in the game that's why you join the game, isn’t it?

Secondly, although online gaming encourages interactions between players, may it be from different countries, what they will be chatting will be about the game itself, if there are more to it, their age and educational level maybe. I agree that it is unlikely that they will chat about their daily life such as their personal problems, as said by Sheery.

Does friendship exists between gamers who have not even seen each other before? Maybe it does exist in the game, where they work hand in hand to defeat the monsters and bosses. But I think it is unlikely if they were not playing the game.

In conclusion, I feel that friendships should be determined by fate, and not by online gaming whereby you mostly keep in contact with the other party via the game itself, or maybe, MSN messenger if possible. Online gaming is just a tool for killing time, for most of the players.

Yesheng said...

I, too, disagree that online gaming is good for building friendships.

Firstly, friendship is all about trust. How can one trust another just through online games? I believe that trust can only be build up over time, by understanding each other. In online games chatroom, one can of course make many friends. But are they true friends? One will never know. There, people, gamers chat with one another without knowing each other's real identity.

Furthermore, I agree with what sheery has stated, "online gaming is good for building teamwork instead of friendship". Online games such as counterstrike and dota, requires teamwork. So player will have to cooperate and work as a team, but it does not really promote friendship.

Therefore, I feel that friendship can still only be made through knowing each other well and trust.

Teck Huat said...
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Teck Huat said...

I would like to disagree with some points made by Eden. Yes, gamers made new friends in online games. There are millions of other gamers but will they go and chat with every single one of the friends they made or they will only look for them when they are useful to them? As for the players who want to be surpassing and become ultimate, they would rather keep on playing to be more ultimate than chatting on unnecessary things. Yes, some times, you must form team with other gamers in order to win or level up. A team can be easily formed. There are a lot of gamers available online. Gamers just have to go look for a temporary team as and when they want. So it is not necessary to make online friends and even building friendship. In short to say, you can have hundreds of team mates. Yes I do agree that players do meet up. But how often do them meet up as a team? If gamers want to complete the levels faster, will they wait for his/her team mate before playing or forming other teams? Yes, gamers have to trust each other ability and skill. If in a team, there is a team mate who is not that good, will you still build this friendship bond with him/her or look for other better gamers. As what Eden mention, gamers can also bond with each other through the party system. So, when there is not a need for this party system, they would not build the bonds. Isn’t seem like gamers are making use of one another when need rather than building friendship?

ariel said...

ariel DAC/1B/07

I disagree that online gaming is good for building friendship.

The objective of a game is to complete the tasks or challenges. For that reason, gamers would be focusing more on achieving those goals instead of making friends.

Though there are times whereby gamers need to work together to achieve the common goal. However, the friendship is temporary as once the goal is achieved, most will just go their separate ways.

Furthermore, most of these gamers are total strangers and it is not easy to build a good friendship with a stranger online. One would also not be able to know if the other party is telling the truth.

Hence, i think that online gaming is not good for building friendship.

Raymond said...

I disagree with the statement " Online gaming is good for building friendships."

I agree with most the comments here, saying that true friendship need trust. Many players concentraded only on their levels of their charactor(s) and their "hunting" of rare items. Thus they have less time or no time at all to communicate with other players. Without much communication, they will not be able to gain trust from each other.

However, on the other hand, there are quests that required a group of players to team up. Depend on the situation, sometimes, the players might be able to become friends when they had exchanged their email contact. Also, there are "clans/teams" which are formed for the players to join and communicate with other players.

In conclusion, i still think that online gaming is not good for building up a strong friendships. Gaining trust is just like the skeleton of a friendship. Socialise with the people around u will have a better chance of building up a strong friendship compare to online gaming.

J@cK™ said...

I agree.

There are indeed hardcore gamers who would not give a hoot to making friends online, just try to gain level by hook or by crook. But, do not judge it as bad by that side of gaming.

I am a classical example; I am not those types of hardcore gamer that spend hours on end to surpass their friends. To me, online game is like another type of online messaging but includes a character training to gain levels. It would not have been fun by just playing alone, when you find an in-game character that is lost or doing the common task/quest. You will start to chat along the way and as time goes, become friends.

I have met up with an in-game friend because we share common interest and have been keep touch and hanging out all this times. The friend I met up with was staying very far from where I was living but because of the game that we both played, we can become friends even though we dun live near each other. I have also seen people getting to know their in-game character, meet up, started dating and eventually getting married. This is not impossible.

To sum it up, different people have different view on the subject of online games. To me, enjoyment of playing is not what I mostly desired, making friends are.

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Silverice said...

Bin Bin from DAC/1B/07

I agree that online gaming is good for building friendship. Personally, i feel that it depends on the mindset of the gamers. Are they there just to play the game or are they there to make new friends as well? Since there is chatbox in the games,there will be comunications between the players. When communication is present, you make either friends or foes in the games,depending on what you type in the chatbox.

Personally, I made quite a handful of good friends from online gaming. Even though we started with different classes in the same primary school, later different secondary schools and now different polys, and staying quite a distance away, we made and mantained our friendship up to today using online games, by training together and exchanging views some of the times. And he gave me alot of items that worth alot in the game during the gameplays, as he got too rich and powerful.

Online gaming can also act as a very good friendship mantaince tool, as i have two friends studying in Canada now and we use online gaming to communicate with other and keep in contact even though we have not meet each other for up to six years now.

choonkiat said...

Choon Kiat from DCP 1A 27

I agree with the statement, “Online gaming is good for building friendship.”

When you want to make friends, you must have similar characteristic or hobby as the one you want to make friends with. By online gaming, you can find gamers that has the same hobby and characteristic as you. When you play together, you can develop friendship, teamwork and trust on your teammates. You can find friends that not belong to your region and you can know much more of their culture. This makes you more knowledgeable.

By gaming, you can know some unknown facts on your friends. Due to the different situation, you can know what are their characteristic by how they deal with it. If you have a friend that you cannot visit, you can play with him to manage your friendship and know how well is he doing. Although it can be done by email or online messaging, the effects are much more efficient. When you help your friends, they feel grateful to you and this might promote your friendship between them.

power ranger said...

chun hian from dac/1b/07

i feel that this question on whether online gaming can build good friendship has to depend on the nature of the game. Online games are mainly classified into two nature, team games and single player games.
In team games, it is definitely possible to build good friendship. Team spirit, teamwork, team cooperation are important factors in team games. Therefore in team games, there will be much interaction and bonding among the team players. Team members will get to know one another better and in the long run, friendship is fostered. Personally, i have made a few good friends through gaming. We first knew each other online and soon formed a team to play the game. In the beginning, we were all strangers. We would meet up for meals solely for the purpose of discussing the game strategies. However as time passed, we get to know and understand one another better through both online and real life interactions. Eventually we became good friends that are not only concerned about the game but also other aspects of our everyday life. Thus i believe good friendship can be built through team games.
However, in single player games, players may tend to get over competitive. Most of them will want to be the best of them all and concentrate on their own rather than helping and interacting with other players. Thus in online games that are of this nature are bad for building friendship.
In conclusion, i feel that it will have to depend on the nature of the games before we can conclude whether gaming can build good friendship.

barney said...

Wei Liang ffrom DCP/1A/27

Online gaming is good for building friendships to a certain extent.

Firstly, most online games actually encourage teamwork. An good example will be World of Warcraft. Whether it be in a player vs player(pvp) scenario or a player vs environment(pve) scenario, teamwork is always encouraged. If a party member is impressed with your gaming skills, he/she will probably remember you and want to continue teaming up with you. That is one way how friendship can be fostered.

Secondly, some people actually play online games to get away from their real lives. These people will tend to look for friends even though they might be living directly across the world.

Thirdly, online gaming is a hobby to many people, and these people happen to be playing the game at the same place at the same time. Thus it is easier to get pass the cold barrier and relate to each other.

All the above facts however do not apply to games that are meant for players to go solo. People there tend to be more on the competitive side and do not have much opportunities to communicate and explore ways of working together.

Louis said...

Jia Jun from DMR 1B01

I agree to a certain extent. When people hang out long with one another, sooner or later they will become friends. This goes the same for online games. Gamers do communicate and play with one another. Some of them will help others doing quests, fight etc. Some of them may even set a date to play together again.

I think that online games, msn etc. are quite similar. Both have the function of chatting. One of the differences is that people get to play games with one another in online games. So, if people can make friends in msn, why can't it be the same in online game?

However, despite that online game is good for building friendship, the type of friendship they make may not be a healthy one.

Samantha said...

samantha dcp 1a 27

i agree that online gaming is good for building friendship.but the main concern is whether does online gaming offers u a healthy and meaningful friendship which will live u with no regrets.

moreover i agree with choon kiat.for the friendship to blossom,common interest must be found between the two parties.thus the common interest they have is online gaming.

however i disagree to a certain extend.the gamers while playing the online game are too concentrated in their game and do not have the time to chat aboout personal thing, the most, they will only chat about gaming related topic.in this manner, the friendship between them do not grow but remain stagiant.

buliding a friendship needs trust and love.in a game, players normally strive and want to be the best.thus buliding a friendship is still possible if they do think about the other players and also to play the game with care and love.moreover the palyers should also chat more in dept rather than talking about gaming things only.

Mido said...

I feel that online gaming is actually good for building relationships. By playing the games, you can get to know many people, not only people from Singapore, but from all around the world.

To some people, they find it hard to communicate with their friends in the real world. Therefore, they turn to these online games to get to know more friends.

Also, some games require teamwork in order to "win" the game. Therefore, gamers would also need to work in teams effeciently and effectively in order to beat the other teams. In the process, they would learn how to work well with other people and this would help them to build good relationships with others when they are out in the working world.

In conclusion, i feel that online gaming are good for building relationships with people, and thus, more people should be encouraged to play online games. :)

raymondd said...
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raymondd said...

i agree to a certain extent that online gaming is good for building friendship.

firstly, if you would play an online game, you would wan to make new friends, and like eden said, form parties with them and level up or do things together. thus, making friends in an online game is possible, and building friendship is all about the parties who are involved.

Secondly, although there might be quarrels, it is inevitable. anywhere in the world, there would be people quarreling. even the best of the best friends quarrel, what else do you expect from some strangers? however, there are times that people in the online game quarrels but become good friends in the end..

Thirdly, love and trust comes with time. even in an online game, there can also be love and trust between the players. it all depends on how the players contribute to one another and show care and concern to earn the other's trust.

there are also games that requires teamwork to complete. in such circumstances, how would anyone ever complete the game if everyone have no friends in the game.

therefore, i feel that it is one's personal actions that determine whether he would be able to make good friendships with people in the online game.

DMR/1B/01 raymond

[Y][I][N][G] [H][U][I] said...

Ying Hui from DCP 1A 27

I agree to a certain extent that online gaming is good for building friendship.

Through games, we will get to know more people from local or other countries; some examples are audition and maple.

Through games, we have something common, for examples, we like to play audition or maple. For me, i treat games as a chat room like MSN. But through games, we get to play and chat together. In this way, your friends around you will increase.

Some will not treat it as a build friendship but destroy friendship. Those who are not in a good mood will scold all their games friends, in order to let them feel better. In such a way, online gaming is not a good building friendship.

In conclusion, i think that there are advantages of building friendship through online gaming as well as disadvantages

Zhao Fei said...

Zhao Fei DMR/1B/01

I can not agree absolutely.

Firstly, Most are not for friendship

Firstly, the online games attract more and more people to spend mach time and money. They are not perfect.

Secondly, it is true that online games can make some friendships, but it is just some paucity. And the people playing the online games are lived so far and their friendship just is on the line.

Thirdly, on the line, there are many beguilers making us deceived. So many people become more and more unease when they make friend on the line.

jayjay said...

I disagree with the statement. Online gamers spent most of their time facing the computer. And their so-called "friends" are the ones who're juz like them, spend their time playing these online games. And the gamers might not even have seen them before. Friendship is established based on interaction between two or more people. The interaction the gamers have might only be made when they're playing the games. But in real life, they might not even talk to one another. A gamer might be very interactive while he's in the game, but quite and shy in real life. Most gamers are living in their "virtual-reality world" where they live their lives in these games. Also, to build up a friendship, there need to be understanding between the gamers. The gamers are stuck in their game, and they don't really bother to understand the other gamers. If they meet in real life, all they talk about is gaming. Real friends do not just talk about gaming. They care and understand one another. Therefore, there's a rare chance that true friendships are established.

Wang Yutao said...

Yutao from DMR/1B/01

I agree.

We can chat with each other in online games by words or voice now, the same as MSN. It's convenient. We are playing games as well as chatting to share the happiness we have got in games. We can help other to get the arms which they need.

Now some of games bring in the consortia system. Gamers in one of the consortias should to protect the benefits of their consortia. That makes players in the same consortia as family members. They know each other well and thay are glad to help each other.

Having the same interest and the same goal, obviously it is good for building friends

Saiful said...

Saifullah DMR 1B/01

i disagree.

The purpose of online gaming is basically to test your skills against other gamers all over the world. Online gaming does not necessarily helps you to build up friendship because people do get into conflicts or argument through online gaming. This may trigger hatred between one another. Thus, online gaming is not good for building friendship.